A State for the Palestinians? Please.

topic posted Wed, April 22, 2009 - 5:38 AM by  Erik
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Interesting take on the idea.

Atlantic Monthly: Does Palestinian Authority Really Want State?

by Yehudah Lev Kay

(IsraelNN.com) An editorial in the latest issue of the prestigious Atlantic Monthly posits that the Palestinian Authority may never have a state because it does not want one. Writer Robert Kaplan claims that statelessness has more appeal to the PA than statehood.

Kaplan’s ideas are based on a recent study by John Hopkins professor Jakub Grygiel in which he claims that in the modern era, technologies have given minority groups more power to communicate and commit violent acts without the need for a formal state. He claims that the lack of a state, rather than being a detriment, enables the group to maintain its extremist views while avoiding the complicated task of governing.

Grygiel cites as a case in point the Hizbullah terrorist group. “Though probably capable of taking over the weak central government of Lebanon, Hizbullah has preferred to maintain its sub-state role, thereby limiting its responsibility and hence its vulnerability to attacks,” he writes. “Having a state would most likely weaken the ability of Hizbullah to attack Israel, whose military forces could find easy targets.”

“Statelessness provides impunity from the retaliatory actions of a powerful state,” Grygiel points out, in one of the main thrusts of his study.

Hamas, once it gained independence from Israel, faced exactly the problem Hizbullah chooses to avoid, according to Kaplan. “It was the very quasi-statehood achieved by Hamas in...Gaza...that made it easier for Israel to bomb it,” he explains.

The implications for the Palestinian Authority are just as clear. “Statehood would mean openly compromising with Israel,” he writes. “Better the glory of victimhood … As a stateless people, Palestinians can lob rockets into Israel, but not be wholly blamed in the eyes of the international community. Statehood would, perforce, put an end to such license.”

As proof that the Palestinian Authority prefers to remain stateless, Kaplan points out that although former Prime Minister Ehud Barak made vast concessions to late PA Chairman Yasir Arafat at Camp David in 2000, the PA leader chose not to compromise. As Kaplan explains, Arafat “may have seen that as a more morally and emotionally satisfying conclusion to a life of statelessness than that of making the unenchanting concessions association with achieving statehood.”
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  • Re: A State for the Palestinians? Please.

    Mon, April 27, 2009 - 9:53 AM
    No, they do not need permission from any one to become so, nor do they want to be a free independent sovereign. .

    There is no one who has the authority to deny them if they just got up off all fours and demanded recognition as a free independent sovereign.

    The only people who would object are the Arab League. They would object like you wouldn't believe.

    The fukin Ps don't need UN or US approval. No one has such authority. While it is always nice to have entities like the USA and the Chinese and the UN to agree with you when you declare your free independent sovereignty that's all it can ever amount to is "agreement."

    Hell if they'd just do it, I'd stop saying that "there is no such thing as a 'Palestinian." As of now there is no such thing. They have the power to change that. And they refuse.

    There is a reason they will never make such a declaration.

    • Re: A State for the Palestinians? Please.

      Mon, June 1, 2009 - 8:19 AM
      Please note,,,my name is Sol and I am not the person above

      that being said,,,it should be equal,,if you expect the palestinians to be " good " for ten years,

      then maybe the israelis can stop their idiotic settlers issues and to quit acting like they are
      pioneers on some wild frontier,,,maybe the israelis can give ten years of dignity to the palestinians,
      and the palestinians can give ten years of security to the israelis,,,too bad it won't happen,,,
      • Re: A State for the Palestinians? Please.

        Wed, June 3, 2009 - 7:36 PM
        ****************then maybe the israelis can stop their idiotic settlers issues and to quit acting like they are
        pioneers on some wild frontier,,,****************

        If the fukin Ps would stop taking their marching orders from the Arab League and declare themselves a free independent sovereign they'd have an actual set of boundaries that would be enforceable.

        As it is there is no such nation or place as Palestine. Since there is no such place there are no boundaries. It is all frontier.
        If it's all frontier there should be no bitching about finding housing projects cropping up.
        • Re: A State for the Palestinians? Please.

          Wed, June 3, 2009 - 10:09 PM
          Yep, there are no borders until the belligerents negotiate them. That is what 242 is all about. Only three parties have negotiated peace and mutually recognized borders in accordance with the resolution, Israel, Egypt, and Jordan. All other parties are in violation. All the Palestinians have to do is sit down and negotiate in good faith. Arafat almost did it. But, being the coward that he was, fearing that he would end up like Sadat, he chose the path of violence instead, initiating the second intifada. He died in any event. Good riddance. Now, maybe Abbas will show the courage necessary. Of course, he dithered until an even tougher government was elected in Israel.

          "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

          Aba Eban
          • Re: A State for the Palestinians? Please.

            Thu, June 4, 2009 - 9:36 AM
            **************"The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."***********

            Indeed. however it is not my way of accident or ignorance. They are doing it deliberately. They are the instrument of Arab League Terrorism in the area. They are the point on the Arab League spear to drive Israel into the sea. they are the handy dandy falsely manufactured refugee population serving Arab League Interests on the world stage for purely political purposes.
  • Re: A State for the Palestinians? Please.

    Thu, June 4, 2009 - 11:01 PM
    Grygiel cites as a case in point the Hizbullah terrorist group. “Though probably capable of taking over the weak central government of Lebanon, Hizbullah has preferred to maintain its sub-state role, thereby limiting its responsibility and hence its vulnerability to attacks,” he writes. “Having a state would most likely weaken the ability of Hizbullah to attack Israel, whose military forces could find easy targets.”

    Gee, I guess this moron forgot the whole 2006 Lebanon war then. Giant gaping hole in logic = epic fail!
    • Re: A State for the Palestinians? Please.

      Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:20 PM
      Barry Bonds uttered, 'ISAIAH,' as his homer 756 streaked toward McCovey Cove, three years ago, to pass Henry Aaron, for the record.

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      We are illegally proximate to WWIII, for relief by any USDC. The choses people invade all, for being led from ETHIOPIA. Learn it.

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      When they BOTH let Sam J. Wurzelbacher III take a half-hour of our Debate III time, President Obama and former Senator McCain proved they BOTH understand, AF 1 and 2 and the Hillary Flapdoodle are likely to go down, DEEP, in 2011.

      All the prophets and the 911 agenda would lead a reasonable man to think, AFTER JUNE AND THE HONDURAN COUPS, nobody will pass health care, for a dead man or for his dead VP, both show-offs with dogs named, BO.

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      So when do we admit to Israel, Jews are from ETHIOPIA? You know! That healthcare-deprived nation, between Darfur, Somalia, and Kenya, where Obama-Daddy was from and where he died and is buried, without benefit of diving AF 747s out of the sky, for a ride.

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      Pig-latin punk English learned escheatment from France, shiessen from Germans, and realized out their butts that to stay in Jerusalem on the next illegal incitement to riot in Palestine, the thugs of the unbroken 1814 hike from US Constitutional validity began to speak, of how they would need to do TWO DIRTY DEEDS, including to over-run Shiites in Iran, and also the Chinese, all the way to Beijing.

      The Korean War featured an attempt to invade China, but look at all the way back to Parallel 38 and to Inchon, and then to USDC, for the White Fleet claim, against Zionists, which will not enable lawful courts or processes, at any time, in any nation? The US will fall to its own courts, any time now, or the Mings AND Taiwanese need to get to Yao about his injuries, plural.

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