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Re: does islam support forced conversions??
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 9:13 AMI realize wikipedia is not an authority but here's what it says en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla...er_faiths:
The Qur'an teaches that God (Allah in Arabic), has sent prophets to other peoples, revealing the true religion of Islam. Those peoples have rejected or perverted Islam. Muhammad, the last prophet (the seal of the prophets), has called them to return to the true faith. Those who reject his message, when the truth of the message has reached them, are promised to be doomed to a fiery hell on the Day of Judgement (Quran 29:68).
The Qur'an distinguishes between the monotheistic People of the Book (Jews, Christians and Sabians), and polytheists or idolaters on the other hand. The People of the Book should be tolerated, even if they hold to their faiths; however, idolaters are not given that same degree of tolerance. There are certain kind of restrictions that are relaxed for Muslims, when involved with People of the Book, which do not apply to idolaters, such as Muslim males being allowed to marry a chaste woman from the People of the Book (Qur'an, 5:5), or Muslims being allowed to eat meat from the People of the Book [2].
According to the Qur'an, Moses and Jesus preached the pure Islamic doctrine. Jews and Christians then strayed from strict monotheism. The followers of Moses earned God's anger by worshipping the Golden Calf. The followers of Jesus went astray by worshipping Jesus as God and belief of the doctrine Trinity.
'O People of the Book, commit no excesses in your religion; nor say of Allah anything but the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist! It will be better for you: for Allah is One: Glory be to Him! (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.'
(al-Qur'an 4:171)
Muslims believe that due to human interference, some parts of the Jewish and the Christian scriptures are corrupted. The Quran calls itself Muhimin which means "quality controller". It claims that it upholds that which is truth in the Bible and rejects what is falsehood. Muslims believe that Qur’an and Bible have the same source and that any differences from absolute similarities would either mean replacement of a new Law with the previous ones or correction of the message that got corrupted.
'And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Qur'an) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Mohaymin (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures). So judge among them by what Allah has revealed.' [Surah 5:48]
'None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar...' (Surah 2:106)
Islamic scholars generally divide the sections and verses of the Qur'an into two groups: the verses revealed in Mecca, and the verses revealed in Medina. The Meccan verses generally preach peace and accommodation, leaving it to God and the Day of Judgment to separate the believers from the unbelievers.
' We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam).' (Surat Al Imran; 3:84).
'Those with Faith, those who are Jews, and the Christians and Sabaeans, all who have Faith in Allah and the Last Day and act rightly, will have their reward with their Lord. They will feel no fear and will know no sorrow.' (Surat al-Baqara; 2:62).
'Only argue with the People of the Book in the kindest way - except in the case of those of them who do wrong - saying, 'We have Faith in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one and we submit to Him.' (Surat al-`Ankabut; 29:46).
The Qur'anic verses are interpreted in the context of the situation in the life of the Prophet. Hence, the Medinite verses focused, among other themes, on the topic of self-defense. These verses take place after Muhammad and his follows had taken refuge in Medina and taken up the sword against the Meccans who had taken the lives of many of the Prophet's companions and also purportedly injured the Prophet on a number of occasions. The verses instruct fighting against the unbelieving oppressors, and promise paradise to the faithful who fall in holy war, or jihad. It is important to note that the Qur'an directs Muslims to fight against militant aggressors in a formal war, which is a holy pursuit (hence 'Holy War') and with interpretation these verses cannot be used during peace or against civilians, the elderly, women or children, or to harm livestock, farms or trees. Muslims may not declare war, but they must defend their lives and property.
Critics such as Robert Spencer believe though Islam does not explicitly preach armed jihad, moderate Muslims' denial that the violence practiced by extremist Muslims can be read in the Qur'an cannot be upheld. He believes that preaching violence is implicit in the Qur'anic text.
The Qur'anic verses specifically direct:
'Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors.' (2:190)
'And why should you not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Your side one who will protect; and raise for us from Your side one who will help!' (4:75)
'Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been God's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of God,- He will never let their deeds be lost.' (47:4)
'And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage...But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.' (9:3-6)
'Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.' (8:12-13)
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Re: does islam support forced conversions??
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 10:05 AMI was raised a Christian so i will reply to this statement:
'O People of the Book, commit no excesses in your religion; nor say of Allah anything but the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist!
Agreed
It will be better for you: for Allah is One: Glory be to Him! (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.'
(al-Qur'an 4:171)
for Allah is One
I am a Duotheist. (polytheist)
misunderstanding.
god /allah is not One, it is UNITED.
The Qur'an distinguishes between the monotheistic People of the Book (Jews, Christians and Sabians), and polytheists or idolaters on the other hand. The People of the Book should be tolerated, even if they hold to their faiths; however, idolaters are not given that same degree of tolerance.
Glory be to Him! (far exalted is He)
misunderstanding
god is perceived as a He.
He/She is HUMAN not divine.
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Fri, September 22, 2006 - 4:55 PMHe/She is the proper translation of the Arabic word "howa" . This word is a pronoun of either a male or that which the gender is not known. -
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Wed, September 27, 2006 - 1:46 AMHe/She is the proper translation of the Arabic word "howa"
I can not find that on the net.
pauker.at/pauker/DE_EN/AR/fo/122
Arabic
How`adj´i
n. 1. A traveler.
2. A merchant; - so called in the East because merchants were formerly the chief travelers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic
Swahili
word used to quiet a crying infant { Swahili: howa }
Swahili Example: howa mwanangu
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swahili
Howa means white in japanese
(n) white-collar
howaitokara^
white gasoline
howaitokasorin
(p) Whitecourt
howaitoko^to
(p) White Cloud
howaitokuraudo
(n) white Christmas
howaitokurisumasu
(u) Whiteman
howaitoman
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language
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Jarawara
Howa means street.
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Anglo Saxon
HEÁWAN; p. heów, pl. heówon; pp. heáwen To HEW, cut, strike, smite [with a sharp weapon]:-Gif mon óðres wudu heáweþ unáliéfedne if a man cut another's wood without leave, L. Alf. pol. 12; Th. i. 70, 4. Mǽst ǽlc óðerne æftan heáweþ mid scandlícum onscytum almost all men calumniate [lit. strike from behind] each other with shameful attacks, Swt. A. S. Rdr. 107, 84. Se seðe unwærlíce ðone wuda hiéwþ is qui incaute ligna percutit, Past. 21, 7; Swt. 167, 16. Wé heáwaþ ðone wudu ligna succidimus, 167, 6. Hé heów oð ðæt hé on hilde gecranc he smote with his sword until in fight he fell, Byrht. Th. 141, 18; By. 324. Heów ðæt hors mid ðam spuran he struck the horse with the spurs [cf. Icel. höggva hest sporum], Elf. T. 36, 25. Ðá heówon hí ðone stán swá swýðe swá hí mihton dolantes lapidem in quantum valebant, Bd. 4, 11; S. 580, 5. Heówon hereflýman þearle mécum mylenscearpum they smote sorely the flying with falchions sharp ground, Chr. 937; Erl. 112, 23; Æðelst. 23: Byrht. Th. 137, 4; By. 181. Linde heówon they hewed the linden shields, Judth. 12; Thw. 26, 1; Jud: 304: Chr. 937; Erl. 112. 6; Æðelst. 6: Mt. Kmbl. 21. 8. [O. Sax. hawan, hauwan: O. Frs. hawa, howa: Icel. höggva: O. H. Ger. houwan: Ger. hauen.]
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Wed, September 27, 2006 - 3:33 AMen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit_language
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 2:29 PMI think this will explain everything: finance.yahoo.com/currency -
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Mon, September 18, 2006 - 3:25 PMeconomics
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics
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Re: does islam support forced conversions??
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 6:27 PM<<Muslims believe that due to human interference, some parts of the Jewish and the Christian scriptures are corrupted. The Quran calls itself Muhimin which means "quality controller". It claims that it upholds that which is truth in the Bible and rejects what is falsehood. Muslims believe that Qur’an and Bible have the same source and that any differences from absolute similarities would either mean replacement of a new Law with the previous ones or correction of the message that got corrupted>>
i will take the above that the moslems hold themselves "quality controller" and act upon that belief.
my next entry will be the sequentially reveled order of the koran:
The first 86 suras that were allegedly revealed to Muhammad in Makkah in first thirteen years of his mission are as follows.
96, 68, 73, 74, 1, 111, 81, 87, 92, 89, 93, 94, 103, 100, 108 102, 107, 109, 105, 113, 114, 112, 53, 80, 97, 91, 85, 95, 106, 101, 75, 104, 77, 50, 90, 86, 54, 38, 7, 72, 36, 25, 35, 19, 20, 56, 26, 27, 28, 17, 10, 11, 12, 15, 6, 37, 31, 34, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 51, 88, 18, 16, 71, 14, 21, 23, 32, 52, 67, 69, 70, 78, 79, 82, 84, 30, [29], 83, [2], [8], [3], 33, 60, [4], 99, 57, [47], 13, 55, 76, 65, 98, 59, 24, 22, 63, 58, 49, 66, 64, 61, 62, 48, [5], [9], 110
www.submission.org/suras/app23.html
i will know arrange the wiki sura input according to reveled order:
wiki order: {29:68, 5:5, 4:171, 5:48, 2:106, 3:84, 2:62, 29:46, 2:190, 4:75, 47:4, 9:3-6, 8:12-13}
reveled order:{29:68, 29:46, 2:106, 2:62, 2:190, 8:12-13, 3:84, 4:171, 4:75, 47:4 5:5, 5:48, 9:3-6}
now based upon 2:106 <<'None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar...' >> it is ineluctably that what comes sequentially later supersedes that which came before. ie you cannot abrogate before something is reveled.
since 9:3-6 is the latest in the reveled koran, it would abrogate anything before it. so the sura says
<<..... then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.'>>, then it would supersede any sura coming before it because 2:106 <<...We substitute something better or similar...>>
from wiki: <<Practice of the early Muslims
During the ten years that Muhammad led his followers against the Meccans and then against the other Arab tribes, Christian and Jewish communities who had submitted to Muslim rule were allowed to worship in their own way and follow their own family law, and were given a fair degree of self-government. However, the Arabs who followed their traditional polytheistic religion (i.e, the non-Jews and non-Christians) were only given freedom for a specified term of four months, under a general treaty, after which they were given either the choice of conversion, exile or execution,[3] according to some claims. According to these claims, they converted en masse. Others claim that the polytheists were not forced to convert, or forced to exile. They use examples such as this verse from the Quran, to substantiate their claim:
<<And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur'ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.>> (Quran 9:6)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla...er_faiths:
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Re: does islam support forced conversions??
Fri, September 15, 2006 - 9:49 PMWhat is your point Halla? I think we've all realized that religion is f#cking stupid. I personally believe Catholicism and most Christianity happen to be the most ridiculous, but thats my opinion. Are you trying to prove that Islam is the stupidest of the stupid? Have fun... I'll be in another, more meaningful tribe while you sort this thing out with yourself. -
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Mon, September 18, 2006 - 6:23 AM*yawn*
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Fri, September 15, 2006 - 11:05 AMThank you Halla for posting this.
Thank you Google.
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Sat, September 16, 2006 - 7:30 AMthe plurality of the one!
017:086
And if We willed We could withdraw that which We have revealed unto thee, then wouldst thou find no guardian for thee against Us in respect thereof.
016:101
And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.
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Sat, September 16, 2006 - 3:08 PM""Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth,” (Gen. 1:26)"
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Sat, September 16, 2006 - 7:39 PMyou moron! the Moslems say that Christians are polytheists. i demonstrated that the "royal we" is found in both camps. -
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Sat, September 16, 2006 - 9:44 PMthe Moslems say that Christians are polytheists. i demonstrated that the "royal we" is found in both camps.
well said
Halla
I admit.
I missed your point yesterday.
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Sat, September 16, 2006 - 11:09 PMHalla,
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Mon, September 18, 2006 - 2:51 AMFrom Wiki
Imbecile indicated an intellectual disability less extreme than idiocy and not necessarily inherited. It is now usually subdivided into two categories, known as severe mental retardation and moderate mental retardation.
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Mon, September 18, 2006 - 2:49 AMHalla,
What do you mean?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron
* Moron (psychology), a psychology-related term for a person with a genetically determined mental age between 8 and 12
* Moron, a minor character in the Book of Mormon
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Re: does Islam support forced conversions??
Mon, September 18, 2006 - 2:53 AMFrom Wiki:
Moron was defined by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-minded in 1910, following work by Henry H. Goddard, as the term for an adult with a mental age between eight and twelve; mild mental retardation is now the term for this condition. Alternative definitions of these terms based on IQ were also used.
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Wed, September 27, 2006 - 10:58 AMThat is so fucking funny!!!!
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Re: does islam support forced conversions??
Wed, September 27, 2006 - 11:08 AMen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fun
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They
who the hell are "they"
humans
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans
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